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A conversation on how to carry out online PM+ training
A conversation about cultural adaption of Problem Managment Plus
Sharing experiences: a dialog about training, supervision and implementation or Problem Management +
13/04/2021 at 3:14 PM #2925Martha BirdParticipant
Intervention Journal special issue on PM+ chat log. feel welcome to read and continue discussion13/04/2021 at 4:14 PM #2948Martha BirdParticipant
00:40:12 Camille Evans: Hello Everyone, Camille Evans, UNICEF Consultant with the EQUIP team, currently based in Phnom Penh, Cambodia
00:40:41 Saiwan Hassan : Hello everyone, Saiwan From Kurdistan region of Iraq.
00:41:01 Elin: Elin Doeland, previously worked at Mental Health and Human Rights Info and I am starting as a communication advisor at the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Oslo in May
00:41:01 Eman Fituri: hello, Eman El Feituri, Mhpaa-NCDC/ Libya
00:41:59 Leena Alfrhat: Hello everyone this is Leena, Turkey
00:42:08 Ana Andrade: Hi, this is Ana Andrade from MSF OCG
00:42:42 Judit Revesz: Hello Everyone, greetings! I am the Ombudsperson at IFRC.
00:43:01 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: Welcome all!
To access the new Intervention issue, please click:
00:43:21 George: Hi Everyone,am George Aguze working with the Lutheran World Federation in Uganda Program.
00:43:24 Gitte Rønde: Hello everyone! Gitte Rønde, psychologist/MHPSS advisor for DIGNITY – Danish Institute Against Torture based in Denmark, working with implementing PM+ in different international projects
00:43:30 Ana Andrade: Audio is not working for me…
00:43:39 Riina Isotalo: Hello and greetings, Riina Isotalo, working as Adviser for Psychosocial Peacebuilding at Felm, based in Finland.
00:43:41 Hivine Ali – author: Hi Gitte! 🙂
00:43:55 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: Welcome to the PM+ webinar!
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00:44:20 Sadia Diloo MSF: Hello, Sadia Diloo MH Middle East Referent for MSF OCG. Based in Amman.
00:47:55 Elisabeth Langdal: Good afternoon from Norway, Elisabeth Langdal from Mental health and human rights Info here 🙂
00:48:31 Martha Bird (IFRC PS Centre): Elisabeth – long time to see! 🙂
00:48:39 Martha Bird (IFRC PS Centre): to = no 🙂
00:49:06 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: To access the new Intervention issue:
00:49:32 Camila Perera: Welcome all! Please write your name, agency and where are you joining us from 🙂
00:50:15 UNDERHILL, James: Hi everyone. I’m James Underhill, a clinical psychologist and consultant for WHO working in the Mental Health and Substance Use Department (MSD) on psychological interventions.
00:50:20 Katerina Jelissejeva: Hi everyone, I’m Katerina, Jesuit Refugee Service, joining from Rome
00:50:25 Ali Revill: Hi all! Ali from the New School for Social Research in New York City 🙂
00:50:42 Omar S. RASHEED: Hello everyone. this is Omar from ICRC and joining you from Syria.
00:50:56 Leena Alfrhat: Leena/Ihsan NGO/Turkey
00:50:57 Rebecca Horn: Hello all – I’m Rebecca Horn, independent psychosocial specialist, currently based in the UK
00:51:25 Maya Perlmann: Hi everyone, Maya Perlmann from Americares, joining from Belgium
00:52:23 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: Articles written by the authors in Intervention:
Goloktionova, A., & Mukerjee, M. (2021). Bringing Problem Management Plus to Ukraine: Reflections on the Past and Ways Forward. Intervention, 19(1), 131. https://www.interventionjournal.org/article.asp?issn=1571-8883;year=2021;volume=19;issue=1;spage=131;epage=135;aulast=Goloktionova
Gebrekristos, F., Eloul, L., & Golden, S. (2021). A Field Report on the Pilot Implementation of Problem Management Plus with Lay Providers in an Eritrean Refugee Setting in Ethiopia. Intervention, 19(1), 101. https://www.interventionjournal.org/article.asp?issn=1571-8883;year=2021;volume=19;issue=1;spage=101;epage=106;aulast=Gebrekristos
00:53:12 MHAM MSF: Hello everyone. Anastasiia Zhydkova, Mental Health activity manager in MSF OCG, Ukraine.
00:53:18 Sawsan Yousef MDM-Spain: Hi every one , sawsan Elian joining from Gaza psychologist at MDM-SPAIN
00:53:22 Carola Eyber: Hi, Carola Eyber from the Institute for Global Health & Development, Queen Margaret University in Edinburgh
00:54:00 Annelieke Drogendijk ARQ: Great meeting you from all over the world! Annelieke Drogendijk, also from ARQ International
00:54:07 Didier Demassosso: Hello Didier Demassosso clinical psychologist with WHO in Cameroon
00:55:47 Liudmyla Sukhareva: Hello everyone. I’m Liudmyla , The Caritas Ukraine, Lviv, Ukraine
00:56:09 SSEMPIJJA GODFREY: hello everyone,
00:57:03 SSEMPIJJA GODFREY: i am ssempijja godfrey, I work with lutheran world federation uganda. lamwo subprogram
01:00:32 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: Please post any questions or comments in the chat!
01:02:14 Maike van Niekerk: Hello all, I am Maike van Niekerk. I am a consultant for the WHO Mental Health Unit. I work primarily on integrated care (i.e. integrating mental and physical health care).
01:08:30 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: Articles for this discussion on implementation of PM+:
Rodriguez-Cuevas, Valtierra-Gutiérrez, E. S., Roblero-Castro, J. L., & Guzmán-Roblero, C. (2021). Living Six Hours Away from Mental Health Specialists: Enabling Access to Psychosocial Mental Health Services Through the Implementation of Problem Management Plus Delivered by Community Health Workers in Rural Chiapas, Mexico. Intervention, 19(1), 75. https://www.interventionjournal.org/article.asp?issn=1571-8883;year=2021;volume=19;issue=1;spage=75;epage=83;aulast=Rodriguez-Cuevas
Ali, H., & Ari, K. (2021). Addressing Mental Health and Psychosocial Needs in Displacement: How a Stateless Person from Syria Became a Refugee and Community Helper in Iraq. Intervention, 19(1), 136. https://www.interventionjournal.org/article.asp?issn=1571-8883;year=2021;volume=19;issue=1;spage=136;epage=140;aulast=Ali
01:10:45 Fiamma Rupp: Hey everyone, this is Fiamma Rupp, EQUIP Project Coordinator, Ensuring Quality in Psychological Support (EQUIP), for UNICEF/ WHO
01:10:56 Dr. Mohammad Abo Hilal – Facilitator: please feel free to pose your questions here
01:12:12 Christen Dørum : Hi everyone, this is Centre for Migration Health in Bergen Municipality, Bergen, Norway. We plan to start implementing PM+ this year.
01:12:24 Didier Demassosso: I find this webinar very important . I know Supervision is so important. I have had very few supervision myself but i have surpervised many others in the course of project implementation in MHPSS in the south west region of Cameroon.
I have not had opportunities to be surpervised. if this is an opportunity to get into a Supervision Network i will be much pleased.
01:13:48 Gitte Rønde: Consideration about supervision: When training new PM+ supervisors I have found that it also takes effort for the supervisors to understand the way PM+ supervision is structured, and once they start appreciating the need and importance of supervision, it can then be challenging to balance the support of Helpers on one side, and on the other side “letting go” of the (control of) Helpers to learn by providing the PM+ sessions on their own (without live supervision). This relates back to the importance of a trusting relationship within implementation I think.
01:15:18 Camila Perera: Thanks Gitte and Didier – I’ll pass on your comments to the authors.
01:15:38 Liyam Eloul-author: Hi Gitte, absolutely, this is a challenging but important balance to strike. We found that live supervision for the full sessions of the first client, and then transitioning more to individual supervision with spot live supervision for following clients worked well.
01:18:58 Didier Demassosso: When i talk of Supervision* i am very general. with respect to PM+ i am totally new.
01:20:19 Heidi Westborg Steel, Norway + Nepal experience: Hi – Heidi from Norway here. I have for the past 15 years, been part of supporting NGO’s in Nepal on different mental health interventions and projects – including networking attempts. Liyam’s point on the challenge of short term needs to get an intervention in place – and seeing that contextual issues such as a more authoritan culture actually can have negative effects… How can we mitigate this? Would it be possible to put other parallell mechanisms in place etc?
01:23:01 Gitte Rønde: Have any of you taken on the next step of training PM+ supervisors (or others) to become trainers of PM+?
01:24:27 Eman Fituri: i would like to
01:26:19 Didier Demassosso: Gitte I will like too as well
01:26:36 Didier Demassosso: Thank you very much Anouk for the link!
01:28:32 Ndi Andahm Nangha: hello,
I would also like to be part of the training.
01:29:52 Margherita: Hi everyone, me too, if possible!
01:30:43 Anouk Boschma (IFRC PS Centre): You are welcome Didier 🙂 Also for others, I was sharing with Didier that (not specific to PM+, but to MHPSS in general) there is a project working on developig and piloting an Interagency Manual on Supervision (IMS). You can find more about the manual and the research behind it as well as some simple online training tools (meant as add-ons to our online PFA training, also freely available) on the IFRC PS Centre website: pscentre.org (type keyword supervision and you’ll find all resources)
01:31:24 Rebecca Horn: That sounds really useful Anouk – thanks for sharing.
01:31:46 Eman Fituri: thank you
01:32:13 Anouk Boschma (IFRC PS Centre): As for those expressing a request for training in PM+ of whatever kind, this is something we are trying to address as part of our Community of Practice to help facilitate the coordination around, please do register for the CoP to follow that attempt 🙂 Once we know more we’ll publish is there, and keep you posted!
01:33:03 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: You can sign up via https://community.pscentre.org/pm_plus/user-registration
01:33:05 Eman Fituri: good news
01:35:35 Heidi Westborg Steel, Norway + Nepal experience: I am involved in a parenting program called ICDP (Inernational Child Development Program) – using the notion of “sensitsation” were the training has a more elaborate traning process that include “homeworks” etc. I do not know PM+ enough, but would such ideas be useful. E.g “homework” on practising “supervision” in their every day life….
01:36:07 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: After this offical part of the webinar (ending at 3.00pm CET), there we be half an hour more, in which there is room for asking questions, sharing experiences or getting into touch with colleagues. Hope to see you there as well!
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01:39:57 Alastair Ager: Great to see such a great example of global sharing of practice insights through common experience of implementing programmes. Thanks to all presenters and facilitators!
01:41:18 Maike van Niekerk: Thank you everyone, this was great! I hope you all keep safe and well.
01:41:49 Relinde Reiffers – facilitator: Indeed, thank you so much everyone. Really inspiring to hear all these experiences from all over the world!
01:43:29 Christen Dørum : We are very new to PM+, and wonder where to start. For example how can we be trained as trainers/supervisors? What qualifications are neccessary and is it possible to get the training online
01:47:38 Anouk Boschma (IFRC PS Centre): Good question Christen, I see many have similar questions, may be you could ask it to the panel? Or woudl you like me to?
01:48:14 Christen Dørum : We have problems with the mic, please ask for us
01:48:22 Anouk Boschma (IFRC PS Centre): Will do!
01:48:34 Christen Dørum : Thank you 🙂
01:49:07 Irem Umuroglu (IOM): Hello everyone, it is Irem (PSS and Protection National Officer) from IOM Southeast of Turkey. We are planning to give space for both individual and group based PM+ in our capacity building planning. In this regard would you please provide us any suggestions in terms of to whom we can get in contact to receive guidance and contact of the trainers accordingly?
01:51:05 Gitte Rønde: We should probably seek some collective funding and take on Training of Trainers – there seems to be a big need! 🙂
01:51:20 Hivine Ali – author: I agree with Gitte
01:51:37 Hivine Ali – author: For the group PM+, I am not aware of any ToT that took place so far
01:53:24 Mariken Lamberts – technical moderator: https://community.pscentre.org/pm_plus
01:53:43 Georgina Miguel Esponda: Thanks so much to all for the very interesting reflections. Wonder if the panellists could share their thoughts on the extent to which PM+ has addressed the mental health needs of people? Have there been any limitations and how have you addressed them?
01:57:16 Martha Bird (IFRC PS Centre): I updated the Community of practice online forum with a forum for training and supervision. We will drop the chat disuccsion into that forum for us to continue discussions :-). We can also use this space to talk about working together on conducting training. Everyone with online access can read the forum, people who are members of the PM+ CoP can write as well. https://community.pscentre.org/pm_plus/forum/5-training-and-supervision/
01:58:28 Gitte Rønde: Erika could you say more about the experience of working with survivors of GBV and providing PM+ to this group? (We are doing the same in Kenya so wondering about shared experiences/challenges/learnings)
01:59:44 Hivine Ali – author: For our context, MHPSS CWs and Child protection colleagues were trained about how to detect, but the huge gap was in the scarcity in those whom they can refer these detected cases to. Now with having them trained, they can support many of these cases, and when additional care is needed, they refer.. So it really helped in “bridging the gap”..
02:01:49 Leena Alfrhat: it is so important point
02:02:58 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: The article Wendy touched upon, on PM+ counselling in times of COVID-19:
Problem Management Plus When You Can’t See Their Eyes: COVID-19 Induced Telephone Counselling
02:04:00 Brian: Hello everyone. WHO is in the early stages of integrating Psychological interventions in education programs through Pre-Service training for health workers.
02:04:17 Georgina Miguel Esponda: Thank you Lyam, Hivine, Dr Mohammed for your reflections. Very helpful to hear your thoughts on limitations and how PM+ has been helpful.
02:05:04 Hivine Ali – author: That’s great to hear Brian!
02:05:26 Brian: @Gitte, PM+ in Kenya was originally focused to GBV survivors in Nakuru. There is a Kenya MOH PM+ Implementation framework which might help you on how to deliver the intervention.
02:06:58 Ndi Andahm Nangha: Thanks for sharing your respective experiences
02:07:03 Gitte Rønde: Thanks Erika, I agree it is complex and highly contextual
02:07:58 Elisabeth Langdal MHHRI: https://www.hhri.org/gbv-training-manual/ this could be a low threshold tool to add to the helpers tool Box.
02:08:19 Hivine Ali – author: @Mahmoud please join the community of practice, will be happy to hear from you in the coming webinars
02:08:25 Ayse Kaplan-IOM Turkey: thank you so much everyone, for all the great efforts and sharing your valuable experiences
02:08:38 David Nieuw Weme – Chat Content Moderator: If you would like to read more on PM+ in Intervention, please visit:
02:08:47 Martha Bird (IFRC PS Centre): https://community.pscentre.org/pm_plus/
02:08:48 Martha Bird (IFRC PS Centre): 🙂
02:08:49 Alessandro Massazza: Project on PM+ on alcohol from LSHTM: https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/research/centres-projects-groups/change#:~:text=The%20aim%20of%20CHANGE%20is,who%20are%20exposed%20to%20adversity.
02:08:56 Ali Revill: Thank you!
02:08:57 Alessandro Massazza: Thanks everyone for this really helpful!
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